ROCOR was ecumenist from the beginning

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You are right- Alexander II was the Tsar in charge in St. Petersburg at the wedding of his son to St. Elizabeth.

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Another idea concerning this post's title:

At the 1600th anniversary of the Council of Nicea in 1925 ROCOR Met. Antony (with the "Dogma" of Redemption in hand) exhorted Anglican seminarians to go into the world as Anglican heretical pastors and do good (but not to repent of their heresies against 879, 1285, 1341, 1351, 1583, 1672).

Lets imagine the original scene in 325 if some young Arian priests were present with the Deacon Arius and St. Nicholas or Athanasius the Great were among them. Would those two saints exhort the young Arian priests or soon to be priests to go into the world and spread Arianism, doing good?

Instead St. Nicholas planted his fist in Arius's heretical mouth and St. Athananius the Great planted his verbal fist in his heretical ears.

Met. Antony was in Nicea with heretics in 1925.

Why was he not in Greece supporting the Old Calendar in 1925?

Hew must have been aware of the miracle of the Cross outside Athens in 1925.

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Justice wrote:

The last part confuses me. Why shouldn't an Antiochian concelebrate with he church of Jerusalem?

Because Antioch and Jerusalem broke communion over issues of geographic boundaries of their jurisdictions. A fact that New Calendarists always avoid when pointing out the disunity of the Old Calendarists.

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Some extremely interesting comments here.

But no, JosephDiGrande, it was Alexander III, the older brother of Serge Alexandrovich, who by then sat on the Russian throne. Tsar Alexander II had been assassinated in St Petersburg by horrendous anarchists in March 1881, several years before the marriage of his 5th son to Ella of Hesse. This Tsar's 200th birthday was recently celebrated.

[ By the way, I read recently that Ella/Elizabeth refused Serge, but the 2nd time the Grand Duke proposed, she agreed to the marriage. Perhaps she had a presentiment of the terrors that would lie ahead for her as a result of this match. The worst of these being the same nightmarish scenario befalling her husband in Moscow. Eerie ! ]

About Erie, the Old Believer parish which joined Rocor, do you mean to say that St Met Philaret APOLOGIZED to them for the Council of 1667 ?? How could that be ? And why was Rocor that desperate to accept a fairly small parish of no real importance ? The whole episode seems bizarre. We did start talking about this subject on an Old believer thread, but this is new information you introduced. Are you sure about that document regretting the Reforms which were affirmed by that otherwise evil Council set up to defrock the best Patriarch ever, Patriarch Nikon ?

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St. Phileret apologized because the majority of the council of 1667 was chaotic. ROCOR did the right thing in accepting the Erie church, (which joined because they realized the error of the schism)

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That's too bad that neither the Russian TOCs nor Rocor-Mp would even consider glorification of this Bp Victor [Leu] - incidentally, this last name is the national currency of Romania.
I wonder why not ??

In 2012, Rocor-Mp canonized Alexander Schmorell, a Russian Orthodox medical student at the University of Munich, apparently for forming a small resistance group against the German World War II regime and being killed as a result. That seemed like the flimsiest reason. Was he even a member of Rocor at that time ? I am not sure, since I was not interested enough to read his life carefully.
Why not someone who had a direct connection with Rocor and had suffered under the Soviets and KGB so horribly ?
That was the point of Rocor's existence : fighting the Godless Soviet monster that had usurped the place of the monarchy and decimated the country. Rocor's job was not to overthrow Hitler or war with any secular leader outside of the Communist Soviet Union.

Sometimes there seems to be very little logic in which personage gets glorified and which gets pushed out in the cold as unworthy.

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Justice, yes of course the council was badly set up and carried out. But it sounded like St Philaret apologized for its having endorsed the new reforms [ mostly minor points but hotly contested by the Old Believers ] introduced more than a decade earlier.

Maybe we need to see that document, if it's available anywhere online, so that we can discuss it more clearly.

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