"Brother" Nathaniel Kapner and True Orthodoxy?

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Re: "Brother" Nathaniel Kapner and True Orthodoxy?

Postby Justice » Mon 11 September 2017 12:59 am

Barbara wrote:Well, I do recall that you came from a Jewish background, so I can therefore understand your concern.
But you have to realize he is trying to expose evildoers in the US political, social and financial scenes. That is a plus, of course.
He has probably woken up some many thousands of people during the decade elapsed between his previous website days [ anti-MP ] and today.

I think he has toned down some of the wilder aspects of his garb and clerical headgear - but he still wears too much regalia for a mere novice !
It reduces the Holy Cross to nearly costume jewelry, if you look closely at the image on the T=shirt above.
If someone could reason with him, then he would not offend people anywhere in the Orthodox spectrum, or new inquirers into Orthodoxy.
Maybe YOU could try ?

You don't have to, but you seem outgoing and curious to meet some of the prominent Orthodox personalities online. Think about it
He might listen to a kid like you, where he would brush immediately off any restraints from even his own jurisdiction.


I love that Brother Nathaniel has exposed Israel and many other things, but he also defends Hitler, white supremacists, and swears. Of course these were videos from awhile ago and I don't know if he's changed his opinion but it still worries me nonetheless. As for talking to him, he never responds to his youtube comments and I don't often visit his website. If I could convince him to leave ROCOR-MP I would, I will happily try to talk to him.
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Re: "Brother" Nathaniel Kapner and True Orthodoxy?

Postby Justice » Mon 11 September 2017 3:09 am

Barbara wrote:Well, I do recall that you came from a Jewish background, so I can therefore understand your concern.


Actually my background is mostly protestant only recently after grandmother married did my background include Jews.
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Re: "Brother" Nathaniel Kapner and True Orthodoxy?

Postby Barbara » Thu 14 September 2017 4:20 am

As far as Brother Nathanael swearing, I also dislike the coarseness of some of his videos. Not my style, but perhaps appeals to 'the masses' ?
Certainly he should not swear, nor use vulgar expressions either publicly or privately.

Maybe you could acquaint the good brother with the Lament of St Basil posted today in the Praxis forum - ?
viewtopic.php?f=4&p=70734#p70734
It would not hurt him, a monastic, to recite that prayer, after all.

While you are at it, you could mention the Aurora Borealis expected to be visible in Northern Idaho these next few days as a lead-in. Quick description is here : viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10145&p=70742#p70742

Nathanael DOES reply to comments on his website - the ones he allows. But this is more of a sensitive matter, so why not send him an email ? He may or may not reply, but hopefully he will give your words some consideration. I would start with a compliment, if I were you.

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Re: "Brother" Nathaniel Kapner and True Orthodoxy?

Postby NotChrysostomYet » Sat 16 September 2017 2:22 pm

Just so you guys are aware, "Brother Nathaniel" is a vagrant individual who has no association with ROCOR-MP, despite his insistence to the contrary. His only association with ROCOR is that he was very briefly a novice in one of their monasteries before he got kicked out. Then he joined Holy Transfiguration Monastery in Boston as a novice before he was kicked out of there as well. Since then he has been in communion with not a single Orthodox group, New Calendarist or Old Calendarist.

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Re: "Brother" Nathaniel Kapner and True Orthodoxy?

Postby HieromonkIrineos » Sat 16 September 2017 7:05 pm

NotChrysostomYet wrote:Just so you guys are aware, "Brother Nathaniel" is a vagrant individual who has no association with ROCOR-MP, despite his insistence to the contrary. His only association with ROCOR is that he was very briefly a novice in one of their monasteries before he got kicked out. Then he joined Holy Transfiguration Monastery in Boston as a novice before he was kicked out of there as well. Since then he has been in communion with not a single Orthodox group, New Calendarist or Old Calendarist.


This is what I thought as well, but a friend of mine was recently ordained a priest at the Synodal Cathedral in New York, and Brother Nathaniel was there in attendance.
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Re: "Brother" Nathaniel Kapner and True Orthodoxy?

Postby NotChrysostomYet » Sat 16 September 2017 7:11 pm

HieromonkIrineos wrote:
NotChrysostomYet wrote:Just so you guys are aware, "Brother Nathaniel" is a vagrant individual who has no association with ROCOR-MP, despite his insistence to the contrary. His only association with ROCOR is that he was very briefly a novice in one of their monasteries before he got kicked out. Then he joined Holy Transfiguration Monastery in Boston as a novice before he was kicked out of there as well. Since then he has been in communion with not a single Orthodox group, New Calendarist or Old Calendarist.


This is what I thought as well, but a friend of mine was recently ordained a priest at the Synodal Cathedral in New York, and Brother Nathaniel was there in attendance.


I don't know what to tell you regarding that, but here's a statement from ROCOR-MP: http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2013/07/rocor-statement-on-brother-nathanael.html

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Re: "Brother" Nathaniel Kapner and True Orthodoxy?

Postby HieromonkIrineos » Sat 16 September 2017 7:23 pm

NotChrysostomYet wrote:
I don't know what to tell you regarding that, but here's a statement from ROCOR-MP: http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2013/07/rocor-statement-on-brother-nathanael.html


Yes and then there is this:

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